For those of you just joining in, see posts on the last thread about puddle's new dog and how he got his name. Very cool, and you won't want to miss it! :-)
Interesting kick-off meeting for the 2012 campaign this morning. In the words of (state) Senator Don Harmon, "We are facing an enemy that takes no prisoners." (Quotation approximate.) And Brian Flowers (hope I have the name right), regional director of field operations for Organizing for America, said that this is going to be a volunteer-led campaing, not a staff-led campaign. Staffing, in fact, is much leaner than in 2008. One of the breakout groups came back with the idea that we needed a vision to get people involved, and that had to come from the top. No, Flowers said, it had to come from the base. Getting that sort of input was one of the major purposes of the meeting. And everyone had to decide for themselves what would get them involved. For me, the Ryan budget and its proposal to abolish Medicare as we know it is enough. I suspect it is for many other seniors as well.
I hope so, Bill. Clearly something has to be done.
I heard a scary soundbite - afraid I can't quite remember the context, but the soundbite was something like this: The three corners of the contemporary Conservative (read Right Wing) movement are the NRA, the Right-to-Life movement and the Tea Party. Somebody was saying that one of the R candidates has all three of these corners sown up, but I can't remember who it was. Whoever it is though, the prospect is frightening.
These people are frightening. There was a report on last night's news about the govt. findings that styrine(sp?) is a potential carcinogen. Well, that's not so much of a surprise. Anyway, Dad was laughing and sneering, saying somebody he listens to (the name was not familiar to me) says this announcement was purely political. Everything is political. And yet, they are the most brazenly political creatures imaginable... Oh, I don't even want to think about it!
I don't fully agree with the soundbite. When they say "the Right-to-Life movement" they probably mean Evangelical conservatives. Who are pretty certain to support right to life but for whom that is not necessarily the prime issue. And I'm not sure just how big the NRA is in electoral politics, especially now that they have basically won their case in the courts. It's important to remember that Our Howard got high marks from the NRA as governor. The Tea Party? They're big right now. But they are basically hostile to Corporate America, which is the fourth corner of the Republican party. I have a feeling it's going to be hard to hold that coalition together for more than a few years. With the debt limit crisis bearing down on us, it may be hard to hold it together for two more months.
In some ways, Tea Partiers have more in common with progressives than with mainstream Republicans. I wouldn't offer terrifically long odds against the two groups getting together sometime.
And, yes, there are some Right-to-Lifers for whom that is the one and only issue. Trust me, I know a couple of people like that. It is devoutly to be hoped that such folks are a minority even in their own movement, but I have a feeling they are closer to the norm than otherwise. Some years ago I was involved with an online group called Catholics for Democracy, which was moderate and sensible until it got hijacked by one or two hard core anti-abortion types. Then all of a sudden the fellow who'd started the group began spouting the "stopping abortion is the only thing that matters" rhetoric. I stuck it out for a few more weeks to see if things settled down again, but they didn't, so I left.
There are a few like that on the Blind Catholics listserv. To them, ending legalized abortion is literally the only issue that matters. They don't care about feeding the hungry or sheltering the homeless, about educating children or insuring that workers have livable wages and safe working conditions. They only care about re-criminalizing abortion. If, God forbid, that terrible day should ever come, they would have nothing to do, no purpose left to their lives, ending abortion consumes them. It's unhealthy for the individual and it's unhealthy for the body politic, because these fanatics are willing to overlook anything as long as their candidate "wants to stop the killing of babies." They don't care if the candidate cheats on his wife, they don't care if he cheats on his taxes, they only care that he will take and indeed make every possible opportunity to vote to end abortion. So, in response, one issue candidates spring up and, unfortunately, some of them get elected. They don't know anything, they don't care about anything except doing their constituents' will and overturning Rowe v. Wade.
From what I can gather, these Tea Party people are mostly one issue candidates, either they're rabid to overturn Rowe v. Wade or they're rabid to stop the govt. spending any money at all, and that's it. They have no concept what a democratic republic means, no idea how the U.S. govt. works, so they can't govern. I don't think that's what Progressives are like; at any rate, I hope it isn't!
Tea Partiers want to cut government spending pretty much across the board. But many of them are particularly rabid about corporate welfare. They were, if possible, even more furious about the bank bailouits than progressives were.
That's something that today's Congressional Republicans would like to sweep under the rug. But I'm not sure how successful they will be.
Cat, we're fine! Buffy however may be morphing to some other name. Clark pointed out that their older, bigger dog's name is Buford, who is also called "Bewfie" ~~ so da puppy may simply be confused. Buford's whereabouts and actions were of intense interest to him, and he felt Bewfie was a threat to Bobbye. I'm not changing it yet, but. . . .
Well said, Cat!! Some Republicans are truly one-issue members and while being pro-birth are not truly pro-life. Others are truly pro-life and care about people. They can't all be tarred with one brush, which is a saving grace, really.
I also agree with Bill that the 4th category of Republicans is those who support Corporate America. That some of them are avidly opposed to corporate greed and others are in the pocket of the greedy corporations is what will hopefully be the undoing of the party come the next election. A party divided against itself, and all that. One can hope.
Buffy and his very intelligent mama are first today.
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ReplyDeleteFor those of you just joining in, see posts on the last thread about puddle's new dog and how he got his name. Very cool, and you won't want to miss it! :-)
ReplyDeleteRight. Apparently the name "Buffy" is unisex.
ReplyDeleteInteresting kick-off meeting for the 2012 campaign this morning. In the words of (state) Senator Don Harmon, "We are facing an enemy that takes no prisoners." (Quotation approximate.) And Brian Flowers (hope I have the name right), regional director of field operations for Organizing for America, said that this is going to be a volunteer-led campaing, not a staff-led campaign. Staffing, in fact, is much leaner than in 2008. One of the breakout groups came back with the idea that we needed a vision to get people involved, and that had to come from the top. No, Flowers said, it had to come from the base. Getting that sort of input was one of the major purposes of the meeting. And everyone had to decide for themselves what would get them involved. For me, the Ryan budget and its proposal to abolish Medicare as we know it is enough. I suspect it is for many other seniors as well.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that was a new one on me. However, whatever works.
ReplyDeleteI hope so, Bill. Clearly something has to be done.
ReplyDeleteI heard a scary soundbite - afraid I can't quite remember the context, but the soundbite was something like this: The three corners of the contemporary Conservative (read Right Wing) movement are the NRA, the Right-to-Life movement and the Tea Party. Somebody was saying that one of the R candidates has all three of these corners sown up, but I can't remember who it was. Whoever it is though, the prospect is frightening.
These people are frightening. There was a report on last night's news about the govt. findings that styrine(sp?) is a potential carcinogen. Well, that's not so much of a surprise. Anyway, Dad was laughing and sneering, saying somebody he listens to (the name was not familiar to me) says this announcement was purely political. Everything is political. And yet, they are the most brazenly political creatures imaginable... Oh, I don't even want to think about it!
I don't fully agree with the soundbite. When they say "the Right-to-Life movement" they probably mean Evangelical conservatives. Who are pretty certain to support right to life but for whom that is not necessarily the prime issue. And I'm not sure just how big the NRA is in electoral politics, especially now that they have basically won their case in the courts. It's important to remember that Our Howard got high marks from the NRA as governor. The Tea Party? They're big right now. But they are basically hostile to Corporate America, which is the fourth corner of the Republican party. I have a feeling it's going to be hard to hold that coalition together for more than a few years. With the debt limit crisis bearing down on us, it may be hard to hold it together for two more months.
ReplyDeleteIn some ways, Tea Partiers have more in common with progressives than with mainstream Republicans. I wouldn't offer terrifically long odds against the two groups getting together sometime.
But, Bill, the Tea Party people are so repulsive!
ReplyDeleteAnd, yes, there are some Right-to-Lifers for whom that is the one and only issue. Trust me, I know a couple of people like that. It is devoutly to be hoped that such folks are a minority even in their own movement, but I have a feeling they are closer to the norm than otherwise. Some years ago I was involved with an online group called Catholics for Democracy, which was moderate and sensible until it got hijacked by one or two hard core anti-abortion types. Then all of a sudden the fellow who'd started the group began spouting the "stopping abortion is the only thing that matters" rhetoric. I stuck it out for a few more weeks to see if things settled down again, but they didn't, so I left.
There are a few like that on the Blind Catholics listserv. To them, ending legalized abortion is literally the only issue that matters. They don't care about feeding the hungry or sheltering the homeless, about educating children or insuring that workers have livable wages and safe working conditions. They only care about re-criminalizing abortion. If, God forbid, that terrible day should ever come, they would have nothing to do, no purpose left to their lives, ending abortion consumes them. It's unhealthy for the individual and it's unhealthy for the body politic, because these fanatics are willing to overlook anything as long as their candidate "wants to stop the killing of babies." They don't care if the candidate cheats on his wife, they don't care if he cheats on his taxes, they only care that he will take and indeed make every possible opportunity to vote to end abortion. So, in response, one issue candidates spring up and, unfortunately, some of them get elected. They don't know anything, they don't care about anything except doing their constituents' will and overturning Rowe v. Wade.
From what I can gather, these Tea Party people are mostly one issue candidates, either they're rabid to overturn Rowe v. Wade or they're rabid to stop the govt. spending any money at all, and that's it. They have no concept what a democratic republic means, no idea how the U.S. govt. works, so they can't govern. I don't think that's what Progressives are like; at any rate, I hope it isn't!
Beautifully said, Cat!
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDeleteBTW how are you, Stevie and Buffy today?
Tea Partiers want to cut government spending pretty much across the board. But many of them are particularly rabid about corporate welfare. They were, if possible, even more furious about the bank bailouits than progressives were.
ReplyDeleteThat's something that today's Congressional Republicans would like to sweep under the rug. But I'm not sure how successful they will be.
Cat, we're fine! Buffy however may be morphing to some other name. Clark pointed out that their older, bigger dog's name is Buford, who is also called "Bewfie" ~~ so da puppy may simply be confused. Buford's whereabouts and actions were of intense interest to him, and he felt Bewfie was a threat to Bobbye. I'm not changing it yet, but. . . .
ReplyDeleteAwh,but Buffy is such a cute name. And you don't want to confuse the poor little fella with a whole raft of new names.
ReplyDeleteMuch less myself.
ReplyDeleteLights just flickered. We'll see if I get to stick around or not. Thunderstorms abounding (again).
ReplyDeleteWell said, Cat!! Some Republicans are truly one-issue members and while being pro-birth are not truly pro-life. Others are truly pro-life and care about people. They can't all be tarred with one brush, which is a saving grace, really.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Bill that the 4th category of Republicans is those who support Corporate America. That some of them are avidly opposed to corporate greed and others are in the pocket of the greedy corporations is what will hopefully be the undoing of the party come the next election. A party divided against itself, and all that. One can hope.
So far I'm still here. More thunderbrightning due in about 45 minutes.
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