This [Click] strikes me as even more abundance of evidence that "conservative" is today as meaningless in religion as in politics. I have lately had occasion to read up on Methodism (my Canadian ancestors were largely Methodists), which I think is fairly classified as an Evangelical type of Christianity, and I just can't square some of the bad attitudes described in the linked article with my ancestors' behavior and experiences. Not the sort of behavior that is likely to be admired and make people want to be associated with such "conservatives."
Alan, without yet having read the article, I can confirm a similar experience myself. All too many conservative, charismatic Catholics display voting behavior and sometimes even personal behavior that would, to an unbiased observer, seem to fly in the face of the Gospel message. Moreover, they are quick to condemn Catholics who do not completely and exactly share their views. Not very Christian to my way of thinking.
I grew up in a Southern Baptist household. In the 60s and 70s the denomination was largely taken over by Falwell supporters. It took me a while to understand how the term "conservative" could be applied to a group that wanted to change the fundamental structure of the Southern Baptist Convention, imposing doctrinal conformity on a denomination that had until then been strictly congregational.
I should also mention that pre-Falwell the SBC drew an absolutely rigid line between religion and politics. I remember, as a teen, reading an an article in The Arkansas Baptist discussing whether it was acceptable for a Baptist minister to run for office (state rep, IIRC). Ultimately, of course, it was up to him to decide whether to run and up to his congregation to decide whether to keep him.
How interesting, Bill. I was in a SB congregation in the early 70's, which hadn't been Falwell infiltrated. The pastor was one of the people in my life whom I could say truly lived what he believed and practiced what he preached. He even took in a heroin addict and tried to help the man get to wellness. It was one of the greatest heartbreaks of his life that after several years with his family, the man stole from them and left. He officiated our wedding WITH a Roman Catholic priest...in 1974! Such a kind, gentle, brave soul, who could really preach. When a southern preacher takes off his watch, it *isn't* because he's going to watch the clock. LOL!
“Whoever monitors twitter at WH for Pres Trump get on subject of my immediate tweet and stop overclassification & start declassifying”
— Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) on Twitter.
Gizmodo: “Yes, that’s right. A sitting senator is trying to communicate with the President by just imploring ‘whoever monitors twitter’ for him to get on top of this issue.”
Now to get to work--hope to prune two or three trees this afternoon. --Alan
Dang, I really MUST get around to seeing the SNL Spicer skit… The following story has a lot more.--Alan
‘Vanguard of opposition’: SNL adds Spicer to satire’s resurgence under Trump [Click] "Now it looks as though we may be entering a golden age. The Trump presidency is a full employment act for political satire, both professional and amateur. If he passes no other stimulus bill, he has created a lot of work there.”
And now to go to the store and get some copper soap to control peach leaf curl; according to the UC Davis researchers it is only so-so, but home gardeners can't get either of the two sprays that worked really well. I pruned five trees (if you count a seriously overgrown wisteria) this afternoon; the buds are just starting to show some color on the plum and peaches. Early this year because of the warmth and rain.
Oh my gosh, you HAVE TO see the Spicer skit!! SKITS now, actually, because Melissa McCarthy did another one tonight! Awesome! I think I'm going to have to actually watch Spicer now so I'll better understand the skits. LOL!
P.S.: Cat--in most cases if one runs up against a "you have read as many free stories as you can this month" type of firewall, you can usually get around it by simply using another browser. I suppose one could also go in and delete the appropriate cookie from the first browser, but I have never gotten around to learning how to do that.
Joan has been First for decades!
ReplyDeleteThis [Click] strikes me as even more abundance of evidence that "conservative" is today as meaningless in religion as in politics. I have lately had occasion to read up on Methodism (my Canadian ancestors were largely Methodists), which I think is fairly classified as an Evangelical type of Christianity, and I just can't square some of the bad attitudes described in the linked article with my ancestors' behavior and experiences. Not the sort of behavior that is likely to be admired and make people want to be associated with such "conservatives."
ReplyDeleteAlan
Alan, without yet having read the article, I can confirm a similar experience myself. All too many conservative, charismatic Catholics display voting behavior and sometimes even personal behavior that would, to an unbiased observer, seem to fly in the face of the Gospel message. Moreover, they are quick to condemn Catholics who do not completely and exactly share their views. Not very Christian to my way of thinking.
DeleteI grew up in a Southern Baptist household. In the 60s and 70s the denomination was largely taken over by Falwell supporters. It took me a while to understand how the term "conservative" could be applied to a group that wanted to change the fundamental structure of the Southern Baptist Convention, imposing doctrinal conformity on a denomination that had until then been strictly congregational.
DeleteI should also mention that pre-Falwell the SBC drew an absolutely rigid line between religion and politics. I remember, as a teen, reading an an article in The Arkansas Baptist discussing whether it was acceptable for a Baptist minister to run for office (state rep, IIRC). Ultimately, of course, it was up to him to decide whether to run and up to his congregation to decide whether to keep him.
DeleteHow interesting, Bill. I was in a SB congregation in the early 70's, which hadn't been Falwell infiltrated. The pastor was one of the people in my life whom I could say truly lived what he believed and practiced what he preached. He even took in a heroin addict and tried to help the man get to wellness. It was one of the greatest heartbreaks of his life that after several years with his family, the man stole from them and left. He officiated our wedding WITH a Roman Catholic priest...in 1974! Such a kind, gentle, brave soul, who could really preach. When a southern preacher takes off his watch, it *isn't* because he's going to watch the clock. LOL!
DeleteStates find new ways to troll Trump [Click] Pretty quick start, ey?
ReplyDeleteTrump's Tweets Could Make Life Tough For Federal Lawyers [Click]
FEC Commissioner Asks Trump To Release Evidence Of Voter Fraud [Click]
Tweet of the Day. from politicalwire.com:
“Whoever monitors twitter at WH for Pres Trump get on subject of my immediate tweet and stop overclassification & start declassifying”
— Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) on Twitter.
Gizmodo: “Yes, that’s right. A sitting senator is trying to communicate with the President by just imploring ‘whoever monitors twitter’ for him to get on top of this issue.”
Now to get to work--hope to prune two or three trees this afternoon.
--Alan
This comes via Liane:
ReplyDeleteDo you know of a public meeting being held by a legislator? Email the info to:
townhallproject2018@gmail.com
who will update this spreadsheet of upcoming town-halls/public meetings by electeds.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yq1NT9DZ2z3B8ixhid894e77u9rN5XIgOwWtTW72IYA/edit#gid=1473996386
Share the spreadsheet, and keep an eye open for meetings. It's fun to hang out with folks and make a difference.
When Villains Aren’t Super
ReplyDeleteFurther Reflections on “Trial Balloon for a Coup?” - Click
Dang, I really MUST get around to seeing the SNL Spicer skit… The following story has a lot more.--Alan
ReplyDelete‘Vanguard of opposition’: SNL adds Spicer to satire’s resurgence under Trump [Click] "Now it looks as though we may be entering a golden age. The Trump presidency is a full employment act for political satire, both professional and amateur. If he passes no other stimulus bill, he has created a lot of work there.”
And now to go to the store and get some copper soap to control peach leaf curl; according to the UC Davis researchers it is only so-so, but home gardeners can't get either of the two sprays that worked really well. I pruned five trees (if you count a seriously overgrown wisteria) this afternoon; the buds are just starting to show some color on the plum and peaches. Early this year because of the warmth and rain.
Alan
Haven't seen the SNL skit either, but I hear it's very good.
DeleteAndy Borowitz over at The New Yorker is in his glory.
Many apologies. I just discovered that eventually you have to start paying for reading The New Yorker online.
DeleteOh my gosh, you HAVE TO see the Spicer skit!! SKITS now, actually, because Melissa McCarthy did another one tonight! Awesome! I think I'm going to have to actually watch Spicer now so I'll better understand the skits. LOL!
DeleteNo, Listener, you don't actually have to watch him. Keeping up with some of the things the press quotes him as saying is quite enough!
DeleteI don't have to look to know that!
ReplyDeleteIll or tired. Hard to tell from a single photo.
ReplyDeleteAre Democratic "leaders" following, for a change? [Click] If they can sense the way the wind is blowing, it sets up an "interesting" dynamic indeed with the
ReplyDeletestate GOP activists. [Click]
--Alan
P.S.: Cat--in most cases if one runs up against a "you have read as many free stories as you can this month" type of firewall, you can usually get around it by simply using another browser. I suppose one could also go in and delete the appropriate cookie from the first browser, but I have never gotten around to learning how to do that.
I think it shows several of them.
ReplyDelete--Alan
He seems in that picture beyond tired, Bill--face and eyes are puffy. If he were someone I loved, I'd get him to a doctor, stat.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Alan, that's what I do. Since I only have one browser that works, I delete cookies. Does that make me a bad person?