Pretty good BBC article, listener; thanks. But I maintain that the Iowa Democratic Party Chairman's claim that the problem was "a coding error" is frank nonsense; it was a gross failure of planning.
All the chowderheads in the Iowa Dem. party had to do to get the results in reliably was to set up a reverse phone tree. Then no one has to make more than one phone call and the phone lines (or the Inner Tubes) don't get overwhelmed. The first tier of precincts tally their own votes and delegates, check their calculations, then phone, hand-deliver or fax their results to their designated second-tier precincts, which add the numbers to their own, check the addition, and communicate those results to their designated third-tier precincts and so forth. Finally the headquarters gets ONE communication with the results. The original ballots and calculations are delivered to headquarters the next day for verification, which probably takes a couple of days and results in minor corrections overall. The speed of transmission is set by the slowest precinct, but should be tolerable.
Alan, don't be silly! How could you suggest a sophisticated, Twenty-first Century organization like the Iowa Democratic Party adopt such a simple, logical, low tech system? I mean, perish the thought, it might actually work!
The national media remain focused on "who won" Iowa. As far as I can tell, for all practical purposes -- meaning national delegate count -- it is a dead heat and likely to remain that way.
Delegates earned: Buttigieg: 11 Sanders: 11 Warren: 5 Others: zero
I *think* the total is supposed to be 41. The SDE numbers (about 500 each for the two leaders) is somehow related to the numbers of votes per candidate, but I haven't found out how.
In each caucus site, the state delegates assigned to that site are divided according to the number of voters standing for that candidate in the final alignment. Because of rounding at each site, the number of delegates for each candidate may not precisely match the final alignment numbers statewide.
Still tied at 11 delegates each for Buttigieg and Sanders, 5 for Warren, none for Biden or any other candidate. I suppose there will be more delegates awarded when the count is complete. That's assuming the delegates reported are the ones sent from the state convention to the national convention (total 41).
listener--I just sent you a table from the front page of realclearpolitics.com that helps (I think) to clarify the Iowa results so far. Includes actual vote totals. Please post here.
Alan, sorry for the delay. I didn't see your posts for awhile. Was in the middle of something.
I can't just post the box you saw there at realclearpolitics.com because it doesn't translate. So I did what I could here. BUT WOW is it good news!!! GO BERNIE!!!
(CNN) Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are in a tight race for first place as Iowa continued reporting the last of its Democratic presidential caucus results early Thursday morning.
With 97% of Iowa's precincts reporting, the former mayor remained the leader of the race, with 26.2% of state delegates. He's closely trailed by Sanders, with 26.1%. They're followed by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 18.2%, former Vice President Joe Biden at 15.8% and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar at 12.2%. Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Troy Price told state party officials on a call Wednesday night that the full results are expected by Thursday morning.
Iowa and the grand tradition of election tech mishaps [Click] It has been so long since I voted at a polling station that I have no idea what kind of voting machines they use here. We have been voting by mail for at least 25 years. Mark the appropriate circles, enclose the ballot in a postage-paid envelope, date and sign the back of the envelope. I am told and reasonably believe that the ballots are recorded by an optical scanning device, and at the close of polls on election day they are totaled. If there should be any questions, they have the paper ballots. Seems very reliable.
Oh, Lord--where did you find that screengrab (?), listener?
ReplyDeleteOK, I found it here. [Click]
DeleteIsn’t that a hoot?! 😸
DeleteI have shared it with my Canadian correspondents. It seems not to have been picked up by The Beaverton or The Guardian yet.
DeleteWith 71% counted:
ReplyDeletePete Buttigieg
10 26.8% 419
Bernie Sanders
10 25.2% 394
Elizabeth Warren
4 18.4% 287
Joe Biden
0 15.4% 241
Amy Klobuchar
0 12.6% 197
Andrew Yang
0 1% 16
Tom Steyer
0 0.3% 5
Deval Patrick
0 0% 0
John Delaney
0 0% 0
Michael Bennet
0 0% 0
Michael Bloomberg
0 0% 0
Tulsi Gabbard
0 0% 0
Uncommitted
0 0.2% 3
Other candidates
0 0% 0
Iowa caucuses: Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders take lead https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51380686
Pretty good BBC article, listener; thanks. But I maintain that the Iowa Democratic Party Chairman's claim that the problem was "a coding error" is frank nonsense; it was a gross failure of planning.
DeleteAll the chowderheads in the Iowa Dem. party had to do to get the results in reliably was to set up a reverse phone tree. Then no one has to make more than one phone call and the phone lines (or the Inner Tubes) don't get overwhelmed. The first tier of precincts tally their own votes and delegates, check their calculations, then phone, hand-deliver or fax their results to their designated second-tier precincts, which add the numbers to their own, check the addition, and communicate those results to their designated third-tier precincts and so forth. Finally the headquarters gets ONE communication with the results. The original ballots and calculations are delivered to headquarters the next day for verification, which probably takes a couple of days and results in minor corrections overall. The speed of transmission is set by the slowest precinct, but should be tolerable.
ReplyDeleteShould be tolerable as long as no one carrying their precinct's results to the next tier precinct on snowshoes freezes along the way, that is.
DeleteAlan, don't be silly! How could you suggest a sophisticated, Twenty-first Century organization like the Iowa Democratic Party adopt such a simple, logical, low tech system? I mean, perish the thought, it might actually work!
DeleteOK, I'm a malcontent geezer...
DeleteTakeaways From the Early Iowa Caucus Results [Click] Seems like a fairly level-headed analysis.
ReplyDeleteThe DNC can't steal the election from Bernie Sanders despite the Iowa chaos [Click] A recommended read!
ReplyDeleteThe national media remain focused on "who won" Iowa. As far as I can tell, for all practical purposes -- meaning national delegate count -- it is a dead heat and likely to remain that way.
ReplyDeleteUpdated at 2:47 PM EST
ReplyDeleteDemocratic
75% reporting
Votes
Candidate
Delegates Percent Count
Pete Buttigieg
11 26.9% 442
Bernie Sanders
11 25.2% 414
Elizabeth Warren
5 18.2% 299
Joe Biden
0 15.6% 257
It seems that the longer the counting goes on, the slower it goes. I wonder if it is an asymptotic approach to completion...
DeleteNYT says 85% of Iowa precincts now reporting, results about the same. DesMoines Register still displaying earlier results.
ReplyDeleteCNN shows 86% reporting:
DeleteButtigieg 26.7% 512
Bernie 25.4% 488
Warren 18.3% 352
Biden 15.9% 306
Klobuchar 12.1% 232
Yang 1% 19
Delegates earned:
DeleteButtigieg: 11
Sanders: 11
Warren: 5
Others: zero
I *think* the total is supposed to be 41. The SDE numbers (about 500 each for the two leaders) is somehow related to the numbers of votes per candidate, but I haven't found out how.
In each caucus site, the state delegates assigned to that site are divided according to the number of voters standing for that candidate in the final alignment. Because of rounding at each site, the number of delegates for each candidate may not precisely match the final alignment numbers statewide.
DeleteHere's a video you'll want the sound up for. WOW!!
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1225215613553053696?s=20
Sanders well ahead in today’s NH polling; no recent polls in Nevada, South Carolina, California, Texas, or Massachusetts.
ReplyDeleteWith 92% of Iowa's precincts reporting:
ReplyDeletePete Buttigieg 26.5%
Bernie Sanders 25.6%
Elizabeth Warren 18.3%
Joe Biden 15.9%
Amy Klobuchar 12.1%
Soooo, less than 1% apart now!!
DeleteStill tied at 11 delegates each for Buttigieg and Sanders, 5 for Warren, none for Biden or any other candidate. I suppose there will be more delegates awarded when the count is complete. That's assuming the delegates reported are the ones sent from the state convention to the national convention (total 41).
Deletelistener--I just sent you a table from the front page of realclearpolitics.com that helps (I think) to clarify the Iowa results so far. Includes actual vote totals. Please post here.
DeleteAlan, sorry for the delay. I didn't see your posts for awhile. Was in the middle of something.
DeleteI can't just post the box you saw there at realclearpolitics.com because it doesn't translate. So I did what I could here. BUT WOW is it good news!!! GO BERNIE!!!
via Real Clear Politics...
IOWA, 96% Reporting:
Candidate Votes ~ % ~ 2nd Round ~ % ~ SDE ~ Delegates
Sanders 42,672 ~ 24.7% ~ 44,753 ~ 26.5% ~ 547 ~ 11
Buttigieg 36,718 ~ 21.3-% 42,235 ~ 25.0% ~ 550 ~ 11
Warren 32,007 ~ 18.6% ~ 34,312 ~ 20.3% ~ 381 ~ 5
Biden 25,699 ~ 14.9% ~ 23,051 ~ 13.7% ~ 331 ~ 0
Klobuchar 21,896 ~ 12.7% ~ 20,525 12.2% ~ 255 ~ 0
Yang 8,660 ~ 5.0% ~ 1,752 ~ 1.0% ~ 22 ~ 0
Steyer 3,001 1.7 407 0.2 7 0
Gabbard 326 0.2 15 0.0 0 0
Bloomberg 214 0.1 20 0.0 0 0
Bennet 146 0.1 1 0.0 0 0
Patrick 49 0.0 0 0.0 0 0
Delaney 9 0.0 0 0.0 0 0
Other 158 0.1 204 0.1 1 0
Uncommitted 955 0.6 1,410 0.8 4
Oddly, though, CNN reports it this way:
DeleteWith 97% reporting...
Buttigieg 26.2%
Bernie 26.1%
(CNN) Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are in a tight race for first place as Iowa continued reporting the last of its Democratic presidential caucus results early Thursday morning.
With 97% of Iowa's precincts reporting, the former mayor remained the leader of the race, with 26.2% of state delegates. He's closely trailed by Sanders, with 26.1%.
They're followed by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 18.2%, former Vice President Joe Biden at 15.8% and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar at 12.2%.
Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Troy Price told state party officials on a call Wednesday night that the full results are expected by Thursday morning.
BODES WELL!!!
RIP Kirk Douglas, aged 103...!
ReplyDeleteHow McKinsey Destroyed the Middle Class [Click] The big picture of what so many have seen up close.
ReplyDeleteIowa and the grand tradition of election tech mishaps [Click] It has been so long since I voted at a polling station that I have no idea what kind of voting machines they use here. We have been voting by mail for at least 25 years. Mark the appropriate circles, enclose the ballot in a postage-paid envelope, date and sign the back of the envelope. I am told and reasonably believe that the ballots are recorded by an optical scanning device, and at the close of polls on election day they are totaled. If there should be any questions, they have the paper ballots. Seems very reliable.
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